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  • in reply to: Please read, all advice will be taken on board!! #114702
    lee1712
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    i am 100% certain we are in their thoughts one way or another. Might not be often and at times might not even be positive.

    and we all feel our case is different as we know our ex’s and think they are sat at home missing us as we all shared great times with them.

    Might be wrong to say but….. assuming they are talking. Its only talking. There will be NO meeting or anything like that for a very long time. and while IF they are talking I can appreciate there maybe some kind of excitement for them. It will pass in time.

    BUT…(and this has been my problem) we HAVE to stop thinking. as its only second guessing. You go online and you see her little green dot is on. In your mind… she is chatting to someone new. and thats sadly how our minds are wired during this phase. She is just as, if not more likely talking with old mates. Mates that could be helping her during these lockdown times especially if they know she is going through a break up. Plus could be other family members she is chatting to. So dont always assume the worse as it will eat you up inside!

    In some cases (and dont flip) it could even be a good thing if the girls are seeking contact elsewhere. as at somepoint something will be said and they will think “jack, would of never of said that” or just something would click and they will think of us again. But we all cant sit about hoping that would happen. or letting them think that. We need to concentrate on getting over them and then make a plan of what do we wish to do.

    in reply to: Really need some help guys #114701
    lee1712
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    it is just hard. Because at the time I just seen what i was doing as just how I behaved.

    Only now do I know why I acted that way and how to be the man she deserves. I am not saying i am 100% the finished article but certainly been enlightened!

    I can truly understand why she ended things and can understand why she may never give me the time of day again. After all she said during the texting times that she feel she has already “tried” which she has. But i had not changed my ways as did not really understand my problem.

    Now i do I just wish to reach out and joyfully tell her these things. But I know I have to time it right as right now she is still in the “relief” phase, as well as anger possibly.

    But its also bitter sweet as even knowing all this (plus all things new I will learn) it could be too little too late for us. But then it will still not be in vain as i needed to learn this about myself regardless.

    Its just I have had the space to think and the more i think the more i just want to be in each otehrs lives again and to both be happy

    in reply to: Really need some help guys #114691
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    thanks for your reply.

    Yeah I am learning things in every session. If i am honest I am not liking some of the things I am learning.

    Basically it seems alot of it is due to low confidence and low self esteem. And the fear of feeling left out. I say I dont like what I am learning as it shows i have been “attention seeking” and obviously in a needy negative way. and instead of doing negative needy things I could of done things a lot different to gain her attention. While it matters very little. The lashing out or whatever, was never in an aggressive way. and certainly never personal. Just more of a case where it was clear I was moody. Like a performance. But I understand 100% now that it just highlighted some serious flaws and would be very exhausting for anyone to wish to stay with or put up with that kind of behavior

    Also learnt about my love languages and also how i would express love, and that it is likely that we might of been on different wave lengths and never felt for-filled even though we both loved each other and was doing what we thought each other wanted to feel loved.

    And yes…. the overthinking has been my downfall from the very first moment as I had always second guessed everything. Last few weeks its not been a problem as been active and working.

    in reply to: Please read, all advice will be taken on board!! #114687
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    That more of a positive spin.

    Its mad as I too sit and question if this is working on her at all. and that it feels like an eternity since any contact. and while i know i should really start over, but even if i did not include the message i sent on the 14th. I am now only on day 20. and tbh i think longer would be needed for it to work on my own emotions and certainly for her to warm to any contact towards me.
    #Been harder today mind, as I am now back in the UK (I work abroad) and now in lockdown for 12 weeks, so have alot of spare time that i need to fill to stop my mind wondering

    in reply to: Really need some help guys #114684
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    @patricia12 Thanks for all your input with all of us. Think we are all finding your works of wisdom encouraging.

    I have just returned back to the UK from my 2 weeks of working in Holland. Not sure if I have had a little set back in my thoughts or progress or if its just my overthinking.

    I am back home with my folks…. My mum mentioned that “text” to her from my ex and before I knew it she thrusted her phone under my nose so I could see it. She meant no harm in it and was possibly doing so as she was pleased to of heard from her.

    However.. I noticed that my mum also initiated the convo by asking after her’s and her sons welfare. After that my ex responded by wishing happy birthday and that they are all well and she hopes that my folks are well, and signed off with a kiss.

    Due to me currently overthinking I am finding myself in a position that i could be in but never thought I was in. As now I am wondering if she did ever receive my text in the first place. Which if she did not then she was only replying to my mother. But if they chat or not going forward I know that it has no resemblance to my ex or myself.

    But i am now in a situation where i am wondering if I have actually had my number blocked or not.
    I have no desire to try to call (to see if i get a ringtone or not) or out right ask her, as that will be the wrong thing to do.

    So lets take worse case and I am blocked everywhere. Will NC still have an effect, as I would imagine i had been blocked due to her wishing not to hear from me at all.

    Secondly…. while I am not seeking a reason to send a letter any sooner, But should I assume she did receive the text and carry on with the NC being reset to that date, or from when I first stopped the contact? I am fully aware that this 30 days is just a number and if anything a minimum timeline. I guess I dont wish to try to communicate too early when it wont be taken that well, or leave it too late where so much time has passed.

    in reply to: Please read, all advice will be taken on board!! #114683
    lee1712
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    Morning all! the last to updates by you both are on the right track. I will add that regardless to the manner of the breakup what was said during/before/after we first of all need to forgive ourselves, and to stop thinking of the “what if I only did/said this or that”. Then we need to forgive our ex’s.

    That will give us all a much greater peace of mind, and once that kind of “baggage” has been removed from our lives, we can start learning to “love ourselves” again, and realise that in fact we are all good guys and there is someone out there for us all. Then once we have that mindset but still interested in possible “getting back” with our ex’s we can try to re establish the contact but in the knowledge that if its un wanted we will not revert to stage 1 again and be all cut up over the knock back.

    in reply to: Please read, all advice will be taken on board!! #114675
    lee1712
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    mate you just have to stay strong!

    As hard as it sounds, once they leave, whatever feelings they had for us have changed. Dont get me wrong I am not saying they dont care, far from it. So dont be down if she does not ask after you. Like I was saying last night. Dont just sit about and count the days down. As you need to work on your state of mind etc.

    You might think that a text asking about her mate might be sweet, but deep down you know you are doing it just to satisfy that urge within to contact her.

    her blowing hot and cold can be down to all types of emotions. So dont stress or panic yourself into guessing the reasons why. Main reason is because she will be confused as one day she will feel strongly to you, then the next day not so much. Again with everything going on in the world she will have her kids to worry about first and formost.

    keep on at what you are doing and dont give in to the urge! Also dont get disheartened if she does not reach out at all during whatever length of NC you are doing. Its all about how you act and put yourself across after all this.

    in reply to: Please read, all advice will be taken on board!! #114655
    lee1712
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    YouTube is a good place to start with the guitar. I am often on there copying guys or watching their tutorial videos. Its not turned me into a “rock god” but more on a level where I could stumble through an acoustic set by a campfire haha.

    Yes I did wrong, there is no excuses. But we all (even the ex’s) act in strange ways after the breakup. Not sure my reasoning… part of me was looking for answers or maybe just to feel close to her somehow.
    But i have to (we all have to) accept and respect her wishes and just let her “get on with her life”. And like I said earlier all while doing things for us, and not sat pinning and holding on to hope counting down days until we can attempt to Contact them.

    It is hard to think that and appreciate it is hard but you have to get into a positive mindset, and i can assure you it will happen in time. Especially if you stay away from pinning over her facebook etc.

    in reply to: Please read, all advice will be taken on board!! #114649
    lee1712
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    again while you will need will power, you can deactivate your status on messenger. So you will not know if she is online and visa versa!

    Just stay strong mate. Granted this quarantine buts us in a shit cloud of confusion as we cant do anyting. I read that your ex has anxiety issues from time to time.

    Mine too at one point. Her little lad is the main reason. And like your ex with 2 young ones… you/we have to remember that right now with everything that is going on in the world, relationships or thoughts of getting back, is very far down the pecking order right to now to some. As there is much more important things to worry about in the world right now.

    I know how you mean about wasted teens etc. look at me. No better off and nearly 40!!

    Not sure if its your thing but… why dont you try some online counselling. Might sound crazy but really helping me. Like i said this is OUR time, and we do things for us! But my sessions have made me realise where I was going wrong. And has made me learn as to why I was acting in certain ways during certain scenarios.

    Google/download/order a book called 5 love languages. That was my first step. Was an eye opener, as you will learn why people drift apart.

    Again like i keep saying (and partly because i need to heed my own advice sometimes) learning and understanding things in relationships will benefit YOU! as you will either be able to show your ex how you have improved. Or…… and hard to believe right now. You CAN and WILL be happy again, and even if thats with someone else, you would of learnt and understood things more and that will help in future relationships!

    in reply to: Please read, all advice will be taken on board!! #114646
    lee1712
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    While it might be “false hope” and bad advice.. why not take a postive spin on this. Why not think that she is not contacting you ( as you can bet your house on the fact that all our ex’s are doing NC too) as she wants you to improve on yourself for her. Think of it (as i do now and then) as its your way of FIGHTING FOR HER.

    at the start we all said “I will fight for us” and thought we were by declaring unedifying love for her, and sending flowers and texting every 2 minutes. But in reality we are smothering them.

    We all have to respect their wishes for time and space. If anything eventually they will respect us for that. But look at that as your way of fight for her (giving her what she wants) while improving your outlook on life and other attributes.

    Again might be bad advice and I am sure @Patricia12 will say yes or no but….. whenever you get the urge to text. Why dont you either…

    A. Write the text then delete it
    B. write it on paper like a journal. You could even present that to her one day and will show how you grew in confidence and changed.
    C. As you have been. Use this forum. We are all in the same situation and that brings us all together. And in times of need people (strangers) pull together!

    in reply to: Please read, all advice will be taken on board!! #114645
    lee1712
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    As I broke NC i guess its day 6 again. But went NC first time round for 2 1/2 weeks. But while I contacted her and not hounded her, i beleive that it shows progress. Yet i know i have possibly reignited some bad thoughts possibly.

    I did go proper bat shit crazy with my emotions and texts to begin with though. She was replying too, and even putting kisses at the end (which obviously i looked into too much) but the convo was always the same. I should move on and that her head/mind has not and will not change. You may hear the same. And sadly they are right! and they mean it too. But remember… they have just been through their grieving stage prior to dropping the bombshell. And will feel slightly liberated. The last thing they will want or picture is getting back with us within 5 minutes all because we have texted and pleaded.

    Funny as i was telling her at the time that of course it would not change or that she will not miss me, as I was texting all the time. Like i said though was reading in to things too much and second guessing her thoughts and feelings. That annoyed her. I told her that I was even seeking comfort in kisses on the texts, and they continued. But then they just stopped and so did the contact on her side (as in would not reply as often). She later told me it was to prevent me second guessing.

    Then one weekend while I was working the facebook pics of us where removed followed shortly by me being blocked. She then whatsapped saying was for my own good and that I asked her to do this. Which is all true I was killing myself by pinning over pictures or getting anxious seeing her online yet not talking with me.

    Then I stopped writing for just a day… she then asked if i was ok… (again I know now was a mistake and was maybe her reaching out) but I blew it by unloading all my emotions again. Though by making myself seem hard done by she would take pity. Now i know all i achieved was making myself look less of a man and far from the guy she fell for.

    We were together over 2 years and lived together for most of that time. I was also a big part of her 5yr old sons life ( from ex husband) and yes I do need my stuff. Basically i work away 2 weeks then off 2 weeks. So I only had a hanful of clothes when i left the house. (early March) So all my clothes and possessions are there. But if they are hidden away or on display, I dont know but cant think anything other than they are hidden. as its second guessing and false hope.
    So yes I need to collect the stuff. But while I still wish to get back with her, I dont want any potential meetings to be about my stuff, or for taking my stuff to be the final act. I beleive its best I do move out and move to my folks for now, and hopefully visit on weekends or something. But thats well in the future.
    But I also need to prepare myself for her not being home ( I have a key still) when i do come back. So need to be mentally strong.

    If you read my story you will learn I did somethings that where very wrong and actually seen things I wish i never seen. (Not wishing to go over it all again though). But the rational side of me realises it could just be to occupy her mind at the time. or it could be something different. But like all of us… we will all regardless if the situation have our own opinions as only we know what they are like as a person. While I beleive no matter what I will still wish to try to reconcile, I am going through stages of thinking ” why should i put myself through such heartache, when you did X,Y,Z) and leave me like you did, or give up on me.

    But like i said… as they are experiencing a sense of relief they will act out in strange ways we never thought existed in them! We have to (while we want them back) believe that at some point they will look at the wall where our picture use to be and then reminisce and realize we were not bad guys and that they miss us. I guess like me you have googled this to high hell? So you have read and understood the “Dumpees” emotions and feelings during and after a breakup.

    I know its also hard to take right now (i am still kind of in this stage too) But when people say “time will heal” Even our ex’s may of said this at some point or something like that. That alone could of been a good sign, but what we all seek at some point is reassurance of “time will heal” actually means we will all get back together and be happy.

    As for media.. while i no longer have that problem, you need to stop… as its not healthy and you wont get past the depression stage. I would not delete her. and again while I know that if you wish to look you will. but just delete the app on your phone. or select hide or something like that.

    But its true… no contact is about US and how we heal. It will not work well in the long term (even if she comes back) if you spend 30 days agonizing over her and waiting to contact her. as you would not of improved on yourself or healed and IF there is still rejection you will not be ready to accept that.

    So hope for the best but prepare for the worse.

    Easier said then done but, think of this quarantine as a blessing in disguise. You now have 3 weeks (maybe more or less) to do this NC and all the time in the world to improve on YOU! Take advantage of that hour for exercise! will clear your mind and she will notice the change! then use the internet for better things other than facebook. Learn a language or have Utube tutorials for an instrument. Or (it helped me to begin with) google every site about NC and take comfort in that. Just dont wallow in self pity as you need to gain confidence mate.
    Just do anything to keep your mind busy. Trust me…. while you will still have those moments and flash backs it will get easier!

    Also trust NC, as you will get better. If i actually look back over my life i can now count a few breakups (much worse than this) where she reached out to me. Its just by then i had moved on and did not wish to go back!

    in reply to: Please read, all advice will be taken on board!! #114642
    lee1712
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    evening gents!

    Norwich lad here! well (39yrs) hard going this isnt it? Like DR at the begining i found it hard to break and initiate no contact. Sadly by the time i did i had been blocked on media (only had facebook) and whatsapp.

    I could still sms at the time, but not sure if my last message (broke NC on 14th) was read or not, but she seemed to of acted on what the message was about.

    But like you guys…. up one minute down the next. I take comfort from talking to others as still working and hearing their success stories. Then when least expecting BANG it hits me… I dont have her in my life and possibly never will.

    Or i make good progress on understanding things (as I am also having therapy, as well as working through the Ex back coaching) then all i wish to do is reach out to let her know that i have “seen the light”. But have to realise at this point in time she probably does not care that I seen the error of my ways. Will more time and space help her bad thoughts disperse. maybe, who knows….. As she is no longer contacting me, is she chatting to another? Maybe, or even most likely but who knows.

    Like Jack I have all my belongings at her house. As we lived together. But this lock down happened while at work and now can no longer pop over as we were living down in Poole! We all also beleive that our own situations are different abd that we will be succesfull as our exs care and loved us once. Or read into things that really dont mean anything. My example… is my stuff still at hers ( i guess all packed and in the loft though) as she wants me to come and collect so she sees me? I used to think that, but highly unlikely. so have to stop second guessing things!

    Also like you both i wonder if its bad that she has not reached out to even ask after my welfare during this moment in time. But again…. I/we need to understand that our ex’s right now feel relieved to of finally found the strength to of finished things, and in fact they did their grieving a while ago and are now experiencing a sense of relief! My own emotions have passed the depressed stage and while i still love her and would like to work things out, I am flittering between accepting and angry. Angry as I lowered myself and my self worth so low through chasing someone who did not want me.

    Just hang on in there, spend this time to improve yourselves and keep your minds busy! and work on your confidence.

    Hard to say and hard for us all to accept but NC is more for US and for US to heal. The time it gives our ex’s to calm down and maybe be more approachable is just a bi product really. and if we still want to try to contact them in the future both ours and our exs emotions will be more in check. But we all might be surprised in a few weeks and learn we might just be better off without them!

    in reply to: Really need some help guys #114631
    lee1712
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    I totally agree,

    We all know it is hard, but know its for the best. We all believe that we all had something special and a connection with our ex partners and think that a text or a call will bring them round. But the truth sadly is that their feelings towards us is no longer of love or desire to be in contact with us like it once was.

    Just wish I knew all this right from the start. Instead of acting desperate and needy I should of had that belief and self confidence in myself and furthermore in the relationship, and felt comfortable that time apart would of made us stronger.

    I still believe it can work, but think its more down to an element of “holding on to hope” right now. Also I don’t have as many (if any at all) bad memories of the relationship

    in reply to: Really need some help guys #114616
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    when the time comes, is it acceptable to put the “draft” on here for proof reading?

    in reply to: Really need some help guys #114615
    lee1712
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    My opinion would be very much along the lines of what you are suggesting.

    At one time I would of wished to say in the letter what I have learnt and how things would be different.

    But now I know that all that stuff and my moments of realization of where things went wrong would be said during dialogue “IF” there is any response to the letter and in any future communications. and even then not to force that conversation.

    So your example is all that really needs to be said. As Due to the therapy i am having and using my time to improve myself both mentally and physically it will bring back my confidence. And come when I send the letter I will be more suited to word it appropriately and mean the sentiment behind it all, and to have self confidence in myself that I CAN make her happy again, while knowing that if any suggestion of reconciling is declined I will have confidence and self belief not to feel rejected and to walk away knowing that all will be fine and that I will still be happy

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