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    @penelope4 I guess at the time we (me and ex) were still trying to figure out the relationship and didn’t want to involve anyone else in our mess so we opted to keep things to ourselves.

    Our chances were pretty low as a real couple. For starters, my ex wouldn’t be staying in my country for long unless he got a job. And if he got a job, it would be most likely with the help o P., which meant he would be indebted to him and going out with me with be a real betrayal. It was an impossible situation from the start, I suppose. So I think rationally we both knew it couldn’t happen, but we got carried away and got involved anyway. I was stupid, I know!

    H. had been the one to introduce us and I think the reason my ex always felt so guilty about P. was because H. told him from the start P. was in love with me. So admitting to H. we had something would be like admitting we were going behind P.’s back and the thought alone embarrassed us both. We were both grown up people and we were acting like teens! It was awful.

    In the early stages, my ex said he wouldn’t mind admitting the truth if he knew we actually had a real shot at being together, but by the time it ended, I think it was clear that the possibility of getting a job and finish his PhD was more important than anything else – which I get it, I really do.

    Since I cut off communications early in September, I have no clue if he’s even still in the country (he probably is and that means P. helped him get a job).

    Anyway, I have no clue if this subject will be brought up with H. or not, but if it does, what am I supposed to say?

    teresaa
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    I don’t know if anyone is reading this at this point, but I have another update.

    The other mutual friend between me and my ex is his brother-in-law. Actually, I met him because I was friends with this mutual friend (I’ll call him H.) He lives abroad but today he is returning to my country for just a short period. My ex lives at his apartment so they will inevitably bump into each other.

    I’m kinda terrified at this point, to be honest. Afraid I’ll never see him and afraid I will. Our mutual friend will likely visit me and I don’t know if the subject of this break up will be brought up or not. We kept the relationship a secret, but now that we cut ties, I’m afraid H. will realize what happen and want talk about it. I’m really confused and don’t know whether I want to open up about it or just shut up forever.

    Anyone can spare me some advice?

    teresaa
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    I think most people here on this site are going through a difficult period and wouldn’t say you are foolish to hope. It’s human nature to wish for things to be different.

    The fact that you are still emotionally invested in a guy that is dating another girl must be incredibly hard, but hoping he comes back one day isn’t the best way to feel positive, in my opinion. Because your mind and your emotions will be at odds most of the time. You recognize rationally your chances aren’t good, and yet emotionally you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper, wishing for a miracle to happen and detaching yourself from reality. And I hope you don’t misinterpret me, I’m not saying he won’t come back one day (I really have no clue what will happen), but in case he does, who will he find when he comes? I hope he finds a girl that is in a much better place than she is now.

    And for that to happen, you need to take better care of you, to focus on you. Right now, from what you wrote, you’re still living your life focused on this guy. Your happiness should depend mostly on how you feel about yourself, not on his future decisions. He may be living a rebound (or not), but if he ever breaks up with the girl, he may also be ready to move on with someone different and who isn’t you. Have you also considered this possibility?

    I hope this didn’t come off as harsh, as it really wasn’t my intention. I just needed to tell you that you deserve to be happy by loving yourself first – any guy, no matter who he is, always comes second. And when you do set your priorities straight, when you fall in love with yourself, you will find that things work themselves out very organically. People are attracted to people who feel great. For me that is what being positive is all about! Good luck!

    teresaa
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    Update: P. (the other guy) called this Sunday after a month of silence but I didn’t pick up since I was in a meeting. Called him later, he didn’t pick up and I texted him asking if everything was alright. He also replied with a text saying he was just checking up on me and seeing how I was doing. I replied cordially and thanked him, wishing him well.

    I wish I could force myself to like P., but he’s not intellectually stimulating and he bores me to death. He keeps showing off, boasting about stuff that really doesn’t interest me, which makes us incompatible – there’s just no chemistry, but he’s a really good person and I’m lucky to have him as a friend. This sounds horrible, but it’s the truth. πŸ™

    in reply to: Very recent breakup. Confused. Please Help #55121
    teresaa
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    By emotionally unavailable guys I mean guys who can’t have a proper relationship for some reason. For example, my last ex has a limited time in my country (he’s a foreign student), so we knew we were doomed from the start. Plenty of other emotionally unavailable people can be found in this board: we’re all still hung up on our exes, so it is unlikely that the next person we date will receive our full attention.

    And yes, I do think it’s great that you’re starting to think it is best to just move on. I wish you and your future dates the best of luck! I hope you find who you’re looking for! πŸ™‚

    teresaa
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    @Wondering412 Thank you for sharing your experience and giving me a male perspective! I really appreciate this. I haven’t written any letter nor do I intend to resume any form of communication. I started browsing the web searching for answers that would give me closure and found this forum by accident and posted here because everyone seems to be very supportive, friendly and intelligent. We’re all still hung up on our exes, so I knew no one would be harsh and make me feel ridiculous about this. I also know most of you guys are on a plan to recover your ex back. However my plan is to get closure and forget him.

    I think that’s why I’m searching for answers in the most inconspicuous way I could think of (this is not my native language and he doesn’t even speak English – also my name is not Teresa either – I’m paranoid like that). I refuse point blank to give him any inkling that I saw the block and that it upset me. I think my last message (on my birthday) pretty much said everything I wanted to say: that he wasn’t a real friend to me as I had been to him and that I didn’t really know him, that I needed to accept that, give up on the friendship and move on for self preservation. He issued a curt apology in the next few minutes and that was it. Wait, he also posted a song on his FB about a girl who had been the best mistake in his life, the sincerest lie, the simple yet complicated affair that he would always revisit in his memories blah blah blah (there’s not an English translation out there, but you get the gist). I assumed that was for me, I don’t know. I think it was a really cowardly, half-assed attempt to convey a message, if that was the case. A bunch of people rushed to leave him comments, teasing him and he played along, laughing with them all the way.

    Just so you see the kind of guy we’re talking here, in the early days, when he would be all flirty, he rarely exposed himself emotionally. I think he’s the type that is really proud and likes to keep everything buried and protected. It was me who said first that I liked him more than a friend and he fessed up saying he felt the same but he’d never have the courage to say that if I hadn’t. On another occasion, when we decided to break up, I said we had to keep a physical distance because it was hard for me to have him touch me as a friend and don’t confuse things, he replied with a “and do you think it’s easy for me?”. So, yeah, the only bursts of emotion usually followed some admission of mine. But beyond that, he’s a pretty cold fish.

    In fact, the silence that followed the next few days showed me that I meant very little and that he had no intention to see how I was coping with my aunt’s death. He continued posting on FB publicly about trivial stuff (he’s very active there, because it’s his only means of communication with his friends from his country). That’s when I decided to unfriend him and make a clean break. Out of sight, out of mind I thought. I was doing well, too. That is until I noticed the block, because it was just so senseless and out of character. If he doesn’t care, why go out of his way to block me? And if he does care, what the hell did that mean? You guys have posted a few ideas here, and for that I’m grateful.


    @starlight
    , thank you for your reply. I won’t remove myself from any social media because it would be another way of saying that he cut me deep and I don’t want to give him that satisfaction. It would be another ego boost for him and I gave him plenty already. I also don’t post personal stuff, only political things, scientific stuff, art, music, gaming, etc. I like to keep my private business private. Only a few friends in real life know I had this short relationship, since we never went public because of that other friend P. I guess it ended as soon as it started, since I couldn’t cope with having to lie and sneaking behind a friend’s back. I’m not a teenager and I wasn’t doing anything wrong and since he’d rather end things than to admit to P. we were dating. We were acquaintances since November 2014, started to hang out very frequently in May 2015, in June we sneaked around and couldn’t get our hands off each other, in July I said I couldn’t do that, but kept falling in the same traps whenever we got together alone, and by August we had cooled down because the job offer was imminent, and that was his priority evidently. My 10 day trip abroad also helped him significantly to distance himself from me, because when I came back, he was basically a wall of ice. September 10 was my birthday, so yeah, we’ve been NC for a month and a half. He blocked me only last week, though. And since that upset me, I’ve been trying to get answers to give myself closure. I’ve even used my mother’s account (she is not his friend either) to log in and confirm he was still there with no changes whatsoever – to everyone that isn’t his friend, that is. And since I was the one who unfriended him and couldn’t possibly see anything anyway, I saw no rhyme nor reason for his actions.

    But you guys have been excellent and at least now I have some clues. I also want to thank your support in this difficult time. I’ve been having trouble concentrating because I overthink things and keep analyzing past mistakes and feeling utterly dejected, when I should just be moving on and forgetting he exists.

    in reply to: Very recent breakup. Confused. Please Help #55106
    teresaa
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    Thanks, guys! I have to say I’m at a point in my life where I’m very disillusioned about relationships. If you guys have time to check out my ridiculous thread (about being blocked on FB), I’d appreciate any male input into my situation.

    Reading your posts and others on this site and watching other relationships unfold around me I notice these patterns and they are really killing the romantic illusions I grew up with. I was always determined to refuse to play mind games, even though I rationally understand exactly how and why they work. Deep down, and being a hopeless romantic, I guess I still expect one day I’ll meet a guy who really loves me for me, not someone who I trick into loving me because I said and did the right things at the right time. Because in the end, I’d always have that nagging doubt: is that real love or is it just a result of a long con in which I pulled all the right strings?

    My sad story is no better than yours. The last few guys I dated all seem to be intelligent, but emotionally unavailable and I keep falling into the same old traps because I always choose to ignore the facts. And since I refuse to play games on principle, it’s all over pretty soon. I guess I have a type too, huh?

    Anyway, I hope that my post helped you guys in some way… but to be honest, I wish for once that all these stupid mind tricks and games would end up being useless and that in the meantime you find other people who are wired differently and treat you as you deserve to be treated. πŸ™‚

    teresaa
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    The reason why I don’t talk to P. these days is a mix of a third rejection (he played dumb and said he just considered me as a friend when I tried to clarify again he was acting like a boyfriend without benefits) and he probably realized something went down.

    The last time I talked to P. he wanted to do another outing with us three – that is, until I explained I no longer talked to my ex and refused to give details on the matter. He was oblivious once, and even playing dumb, but I don’t consider him as really stupid.

    I do know my ex is a natural liar. It’s his coping mechanism. He shared stories in the past where he lied through his teeth to get out of sticky situations (I guess I should have picked that up as a strong sign that he was wrong for me – I’m stupid like that). Regarding P., for instance, he found himself inventing a story about a girl he liked, just so P. wouldn’t suspect he was in a relationship with me! He kept digging himself in lies because he was so convinced P. loved me obsessively that I felt he was a bit afraid of the consequences if P. ever found out. Added to the fact that he would likely be gone in a few months and that P. was probably his only chance to get a job in my country, he didn’t want to take the risk of telling the truth. So, yeah, I was never really that important. He literally picked a possibility of a job over me. This really sounds like a crappy soap opera, but it is what it is.

    Like you said, he’s probably not mad, but I can’t think of anything else. Our FB profiles are private and we weren’t friends anymore, so it’s not like I could check up on him when he blocked me. I was the one to unfriend him in the first place! There was nothing to stalk when we were not friends. Just a profile picture (which is the same if I log off). So yeah, I think it was some kind of retaliation for truly giving up on him. Perhaps he thought I’d add him again (I was always a true friend and very supportive, even when he cooled down significantly), and when I didn’t, he just blocked me like “ah, I can be even worse, see what is like to be erased”.

    in reply to: Is it over or is he freaking out? #55088
    teresaa
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    What if he DOES contact you next week? Or tomorrow? Will you accept him with open arms as if nothing happened?

    First of all, I commend you for being so patient and thoughtful. He’s extremely lucky to have a GF like you and he knows this and told you so. So why did he leave?

    This is just a theory and I don’t even know him, so please don’t feel offended by what I’m about to say. But it seems that in his difficult period, he discovered you could be incredibly patient and he is counting on that to feel free to do his thing and get his mojo back because deep down he thinks you’ll be there for him, if he wishes to go back. At the same time, he probably thinks he’s being fair by distancing himself from you, since you’re not his priority and “you deserve better”.

    Well, you know what? I agree with him, I think you do deserve better. You can’t be a backup plan and come second. You need to put yourself first, like it’s already been said.

    I’m rather impulsive sometimes (and yeah, I’m single at the moment, so probably not the best example out there), but in your position in this exact moment, I’d explain him that you wouldn’t be always available like you have been so far, that you have also been thinking about your relationship and realized that, considering his behavior these last few days, you would also need to make myself a priority, just like he’s doing with his career. Oh, and that you really deserve better.

    So, this would basically be his last call. If he’s confident he needs to leave this time and not have you by his side, then he needs to know that you’ll also be making decisions of your own and there’s a heavy chance you won’t be there if he decides to get back. You will only accept being in a relationship where you are treated as a priority, because otherwise you’ll just become a secondary character in someone else’s life. And that will inevitably lead you and others not to respect you as a person. Remember, you are not his sidekick! You’re your own star. Good luck!

    teresaa
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    No, he wasn’t angry. In fact, I don’t think we ever actually fought, even when we broke up. It was all very civilized. The only time I showed a negative burst was in my last exchange and I was very upset (my aunt dying on my birthday really shook me).

    I hope you bear with me, because our story is very complicated and yet simple:

    We met at a time when that other guy (I’ll call him P.) was in love with me. When I say in love, I say almost obsessed. I don’t think anyone has ever loved me like that and it was kind of scary. I always had trouble rejecting people and P. seemed oblivious to the fact that I simply only liked him as a friend (although he did ask us to be more and I rejected him twice).

    Anyway, P. was so upfront and insistent about about his infatuation that I started inviting my ex, at that point a mere acquaintance, to cockblock our outings. So whenever P. asked us to go out as friends, I’d invite my ex as well to string along. I’m stupid, I know! I should have just said NO, but I had trouble refusing a good guy who made me feel good about myself. Anyway, eventually I started to confide in my ex and we became friends and soon enough we realized we liked each other as more than friends.

    To put things in context, my ex is actually a foreign student and is only in my country for a short period just to get his PHD. I also need to say that P. became friends with him (he’s really that nice) and was helping him get a job to stay in this country. Long story short, we created this awful triangle. None of us wanted to hurt P., and my ex felt like a cheater. I also didn’t want to go behind anyone’s back, particularly since I did nothing wrong and was always upfront. So we had just 2 options: be together and tell P. or don’t tell P. but break apart. Considering my ex would only be staying a few more months in the country, he figured he didn’t want to ruin things with P. since we basically had no future either way. So, very amicably we decided to break before we got serious.

    We slipped up a few times. We live in neighboring cities, so the few times we were together without being in the presence of P., we would end up making out and promising that it wouldn’t happen again. Because that was the thing, we got along really well together. He would pick his guitar and serenade me, kiss me hard and hug me tight, stuff like that. So we stopped meeting and stuck communication to Facebook only.

    I went abroad on vacating 10 days without communicating with him and when I got back he’s more colder and distant (allegedly due to not knowing about his professional situation and whether he’d have to go back or not to his country). I asked if he started to like someone else and he said he didn’t (but he’s a bit of a coward and awful at confrontations – he tends to protect himself and shuts up or lies, so who knows?), and he added that didn’t matter whether he liked me or not and wouldn’t change our situation. In his own words: “I can’t like you”. I replied that we either liked people or not, we don’t choose to do it. He just said “it’s the only answer I can give you” and “don’t get your hopes about us”.

    So I went NC for a bit (I haven’t read any of these things on the web at that point) and contacted him occasionally (I don’t know how many days, I didn’t really count), all the while watching those awful public interactions on FB. By the way the girls he talks to are in his country, so the only contact they have is online. He could have a deep emotional attachment to one of them, but I know for a fact he wasn’t sleeping around.

    From then on, things only deteriorated. There were’t really any rows, just cold detachment. Now and then he would post romantic songs about missing loved ones which could be directed at me or some other person (who knows, really?). Whatever he meant, he never told me directly. And that day when I snapped, his apology was brief and rather lame. And the rest you already know.

    Kinda lame, isn’t it?

    p.s. P. is not in the picture anymore either, as he finally got the hint and has been in NC for over a month now. They’re probably best buddies at this point, I really don’t know.

    teresaa
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    Rereading what I previously wrote paints this guy as a sociopath. He may be a lot of things, but he isn’t that horrible. Let me clarify: when he said he wanted his other exes to suffer at least as much was said in a specific context. We were talking about breakups and how it was best to overcome them (ironic, I know). He said it was unnatural and a bit fake to simply wish happiness to the other, when the fact was deep down we all want the other to miss us, at least in the beginning – which is a kind of suffering. So he wished his exes hurt at least as much as he did, it was a sort of comfort to know that they still felt something, even if it was a negative feeling. I hope this makes sense.

    in reply to: Very recent breakup. Confused. Please Help #55080
    teresaa
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    Guys! I really hate playing games when it comes to this stuff, but by what you wrote, these exes of yours seem to like them. And if that’s the case, you need to play better than they do to win this.

    gazs, I’m sorry if this comes off a bit harsh (so please do forgive me) but the reason why you can’t stop thinking about her, it seems, isn’t necessarily because you love her, but because she keeps you on your toes. All the ambiguity she sends off and her insistence in breaking your NC period to simply chit chat, even though you already told her it’s important to you to get yourself together, shows that she *needs* to be in control of this relationship, being it friendly or romantic.

    The fact that you told her you were hurting and that you expected an answer gave her back the power she thought she lost, even if briefly. And her giving you the “we’ll see, sorry” answer really shows that, in my opinion. From what you described, I’m convinced she’s a power player and only felt things improved in the relationship when that power shifted (during the NC period) and she lost her footing. Some people are attracted to that kind of thing. Of not being overly secure. It’s what attracts them, makes them chase after. Unconsciously, you are obviously attracted to it either because you made yourself vulnerable to her and invested your feelings on someone who keeps pushing and pulling and stringing you along.

    So, I can’t believe I’m about to say this (because I’m a hopeless romantic and believe in true love blah blah blah), but in this particular case: let her grovel for a bit, if she really wants you in her life. She’s put you through a lot and she doesn’t seem too upset over it, so the only way I can see a girl like that become truly invested in a loving guy like you is if you turn the tables on her and make her insecure instead. It’s basic psychology, really. The next time she contacts you, it is YOU who is unsure of your feelings and you’d have to really think whether you’d like her as a partner. And for that you need more time. Let her steam and NEVER answer any of her texts after that. And then, some times later, contact her casually and avoid relationship topics, even if she brings them up. She’ll be really curious and more invested, thinking about you and why you have changed so much. I wouldn’t be surprised if she tries to be flirty again. (This sounds really horrible, I know!!) Good luck!

    teresaa
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    Thank you for replying, Penelope! I really appreciate this.

    I really wanted to share this story because I have trouble exposing myself and would feel really stupid telling this to my real life friends. Getting upset over FB stuff is just silly, but that’s what happened to me.

    I honestly don’t think our 2 mutual friends are the reason for the block. One of them isn’t active and the other only posts generic stuff, hardly personal. Since you mentioned this, I went there to check and to my knowledge, I only liked one post of that mutual friend after the break up. I remember he did post a “hahahaha” comment a few days prior in another post, but that was it.

    This blocking thing made me go back and check our history chat and I (re)discovered something about him. A long time ago, he wrote about how his exes tended to be jealous and he didn’t understand why and, at the time (we were just friends back then), I told him he was probably flirty without realizing. Another thing I found he wrote was that in the initial phase after the break up, he usually wanted the other girl to feel at least as miserable as he was, you know, like payback. I told him the worst someone could do to me was to erase me and forget about me.

    So fast things forward, I do think he was being openly, consciously flirty and using that specific sentence I wrote him publicly just to get some sort of reaction. And this blocking looks like revenge too, if I take his previous word. I think he knows these would be the things that would get me and somehow he’s retaliating… arghh, I don’t know. I keep going back and forth. Sometimes I think he’d be too lazy to go out of his way to upset me (I always felt he never liked me enough to make any effort), and other times I believe that him being spiteful towards exes (in his own words) might have actually motivated him to click that button. πŸ™

    teresaa
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    Look, I understand why it’s unthinkable to make yourself vulnerable (even more) to this man, I really do. But I think this is something you need to do for yourself. This isn’t about him or what he might say, this is about you and what you need to do to gain control of your life.

    From the things I’ve read (and I’m sorry, but I skipped a few pages in the thread), you’ve been stuck, blinded by – understandably so – your own insecurities and fears. You are the only one who can make a change in your life, regardless of what this man does or what anyone tells you.

    Yes, you can get hurt and yes, things can go horribly wrong with him. But see, you’re already hurting now, clouded with doubts and fear of rejection. In fact, I believe you’re hurting yourself more with your thoughts (“he never loved me” – seriously??) than with any real words he could possibly tell you at this point.

    Don’t wait for a prince in shining armor to save you. You have the power to save yourself. Empower yourself, own up your feelings and tell the truth and be free. If he rejects you (which I sincerely doubt it, but that’s just me), at least you’ll know that you are true to yourself and that is something very powerful, life changing even. It will give you strength to do whatever you like in the future, because for once you are secure of yourself. I find that fear of the unknown is more paralyzing and hurts more than reality. If you conquer your fears, you can take on any challenge from now on. Good luck!

    teresaa
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    He rejected my two attempts to show/tell him that I love him. What else do I need to say? What else do I need to know? I was so stupid to ever think that I could have been special to him.

    Did you say: “I have trouble showing my feelings because I’m terrified of intimacy, but the truth is I’m in love with you. There I said it. And regardless of what you might think of me, I figured it was time to be completely honest for once. Even if you don’t love me back. I’m sorry I only said this now, but at least now you know the truth of how I feel and you deserved to hear it.” ?

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