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  • #55474
    starlight
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    uh huh. You need to ask yourself a couple of questions.

    Do you like your currently relationship with him?
    Can you live your life without regrets or remorse or negative feelings with the current relationship?
    Are you happy with how things are right now?
    And if you answered yes to all then you are okay and you don’t have any issues. If you answered no to all or to one then you have to ask what you changes you need to make and the steps to improving that. You need to figure out why you answered no to that question and then move on with how to proceed.

    #55485
    penelope4
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    Do I like my current relationship with him? 20% of the time.
    Can I live my life without regrets or remorse or negative feelings with the current relationship? No, although I have to admit I don’t really wonder “what if” anymore because I now know he isn’t there.
    Am I happy with how things are right now? No. I can’t even enjoy the nice moments we share anymore because I don’t trust them, nor do I want to let myself fall back into the trap of thinking there’s something between us. I’ve gotten a lot better about not reading into things that he does or says in relation to me. And I no longer see our encounters as part of a narrative that leads to us being together. That story has been ripped apart and I can’t remember the words.

    I know I have to do something. I know it’s for me, about getting the closure. But keep in mind, it’s been five years. I almost don’t remember what life was like before knowing him. Five years and I still love him. It’s so hard to let go of the idea that we will end up together, and to imagine never seeing him again. But I’ve lived without him in my life before; I need to find the courage to do it again.

    #55488
    starlight
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    well if you are happy and can live with yourself without telling him and accepting that it wont happen with you guys even though you haven’t spoken to him about how he feels and if he would want to give it another shot.You know what, He may not love you, but he could still care for you and want to give it another shot. And with time love you again like you love him. You just have to gain the courage to put yourself out there, which is easier said than done but hopefully soon youll be able to do! I believe in you!

    #55489
    kaila
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    Penelope sorry if I’m being rude now but (besides coming here because you need someone to talk to and let your feelings out) I don’t think there is any reason for this to continue.

    You keep going back and forth and having thoughts in 10 different directions, even considering just keeping the way it is indefinetly. Do you want to be happy yes or no? Do you want to have a family yes or no? Do you want to move on to be happy to have those things yes or no? These are the important things. Not your relationship with this guy in particular, and not if you will be able to go to music school after this. Stop thinking about what he is gonna think or feel. If you want to still be in Italy, that’s fine. But you said it yourself time and time again you are only in Italy because of him. Anyway it’s fine you keep being in Italy and going to music school. Still you NEED to get this out of the way, and if he tells you he isn’t interested, you can close the chapter for good, and move on with your life. Simple

    #55508
    penelope4
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    Kaila, you’re definitely not being rude. I know very well how frustrating my back-and-forth swinging can be. Imagine my therapist, who has been dealing with this for 3 years! And I’m sick of myself, too… it’s very hard to live this way.

    I don’t want to stay in Italy without the prospect of being with him and, no, I don’t truly want this to continue indefinitely. That’s the fear talking. But it really would be a terrible idea to move back to the States without a secure job. My home country is expensive as hell and I’ve been living on Italian wages for the past few years…

    You all have been so incredibly supportive and helpful; Kaila, your insight has been utterly invaluable. What I really appreciate is that you all seem to respect the relationship he and I once had. I know it was a million years ago but it has impacted me so profoundly. It’s nice to hear other people say that maybe I could have meant something to him, too, even if it was long ago.

    I’ll try to keep the waffling to a minimum on here but bear with me; this is five years that is coming to a close. I’ve been consumed with terror over this man – first of intimacy and then of rejection – for so long. Sometimes closing the chapter seems just as scary as the rejection. Yes, I’m basically a walking ball of fear. This is not behavior that is fit for a 35 year-old woman.

    Tell him I love him first. Okay. I’ve gone through a couple of potential scenarios in my head as to how this conversation might come about but I’m trying not to make master plans; it’s been my experience that things with him never go down the way I expect. I guess right now I’m more kind of thinking of what I want to tell him.

    #55769
    penelope4
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    Brief update: haven’t told him yet, haven’t had the opportunity. i will do it for the closure. but i don’t really have any questions left. i feel like i understand what happened in the past and what is happening now, which is a first. Halloween was awful; it just reinforced the fact that our “connection” is important to me, but not to him. I no longer believe that there is magic in the world.

    wanted to get your opinions, though; how should I BE around him until I can get him alone to tell him? I see him at school or sometimes at events but, as you know, our interactions run from hot to cold and I’m never sure which F I’m going to get. He swings so dramatically from warm, interested and affectionate to awkward and nervous. For my part, I am throwing out mixed signals like CRAZY with him lately. I try to treat him like any other dude so I talk/joke with all the guys at music school but there’s still a part of me that can’t help showing him that I care or that I’m interested in him the most. I’m confused.

    I saw him tonight and he was weird; first, giving me interested friendly looks when I teased him – like he wanted to tease me as well but was for some reason holding back – and then being a cold jerk later. Maybe it has nothing to do with me, maybe he’s just a weird jerk! But it sure doesn’t make it easy to think about telling him what I want to say.

    #56045
    kaila
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    Hey Penelope. Sorry for the late reply. How are you, any news?

    #56075
    penelope4
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    No news. the correct situation in which to tell him has not occurred. in the meantime, I’m working on the detachment process, i.e., not breaking my neck to create meaningful encounters with him at school and not going to places where he’ll be solely in hopes of running into him. For example, right now I’m fighting the urge to go to a concert where he’ll be. His friends – who are normal people, unlike him – told me i should go but I’m tired (got back from lisbon last night at 2 a.m. and worked all day today). the only reason i’d go to that thing is the thought of being able to interact with him so no! i’m staying home and nurturing my self respect. i’m trying not to let him control my movements anymore.

    it is hard. for so long i blamed myself for having ruined things between us. those horrible years when we didn’t talk i made myself a promise. i said, “if he ever gives me a clear sign that he wants to be in my life again, i will never let him go.” i still feel the residues of the desire to keep that promise. finally understanding that he doesn’t return my feelings and isn’t the right man for me helps me let go, but i’m still very confused about how to act around him.

    we’re both really skittish around each other lately. more him than me. i don’t really have any questions left about our relationship or whatever you want to call it, but the only thing i wonder is why he can’t be consistently normal around me. i know that he enjoys spending time with me and even feels some affection for me so why so damn weird and awkward? i know i haven’t been kissing his ass as usual – i spend more time chatting with the other musicians and why? because they are normal, fun, and consistently happy to see me!!!! – but i still make the effort to say hi to F and be nice to him. and yet, super awkward. either he’s schizophrenic or there’s something i’m missing.

    #56158
    kaila
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    Nurturing your self respect. That’s good, keep doing it!

    How was Lisbon?

    About how to act around him, I would say act normally. Otherwise it will be hard to have that encounter with him to tell him everything.

    It is very weird to be honest. I also don’t understand why he acts like that?! Doesn’t make much sense to me….

    #56180
    starlight
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    Hey penelope, just read the news and thought of you. hope you and those around you are safe! keeping Paris in my prayers

    #56200
    penelope4
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    Hi, Starlight, thank you for the concern. The news about Paris has everyone freaked out; are there any safe places left in the world?

    Kaila, as I was writing that thing about “nurturing my self respect” it struck me that by doing so, I am also limiting occasions to see him outside of school and possibly have “the talk.” I guess it’s a fine line between desperately hunting him/hanging around him and closing myself off.

    Why does he act this way? I don’t know. My therapist used to think it was because he was reacting to my behavior but I’m no longer so sure I have any effect on him. Yes, it’s true that we both have ALWAYS had a hard time being consistently cool around each other but I have reasons, dammit. I have never had this experience with anyone else. A friend is consistently chill and happy to see you, right?

    I don’t know if he’s just stressed out about something in his life (work? more drama with his ex?) and it’s making him act weird, but he’s definitely been nervous these past couple of weeks. We have had some nice one-on-one encounters in the past month (chatting in front of the perfume shop, hanging out alone listening to music while he tried to play a song I like on the bass; him showing me how to play the guitar) so I don’t think he’s upset with me or disgusted by me. Last Tuesday was weird …. I know I promised I wouldn’t give play-by-plays anymore but this is just to give you an idea of what I’m talking about by “weird”:

    I got to school and he was hanging out in the front by himself. As I approached, I saw him look at me for a second, but then he pretended not to notice me; he just kept staring up at the air ducts. I got to the door, two feet away from him, but he kept pretending he didn’t see me. Finally I said, “Ahem. HEY.” He pretended to finally notice me and smiled: “Oh, hi.” I said, “What are you looking at up there in the air ducts?” He said, “Oh, there’s so much to do around here…” He was clearly nervous and there was this awkward tension between us and I thought, “this is stupid” so I said, “Okay. Well, enjoy. See you later” and I went inside to do my lesson. Later when I came out, his friend J – WHO IS ALWAYS NORMAL AND HAPPY TO SEE ME – asked me if I wanted to see the movie short that he and F are writing the soundtrack for. I said okay. J took me inside the office, where F and D (another musician) were working on dubbing some tracks. D – WHO IS NORMAL – said hello to me immediately. F – WHO IS NOT NORMAL – pretended I wasn’t there. J and I watched the video; from time to time D came over to talk to us. After the video finished, D and J continued talking, and then another musician, PG, came in and started teasing me. F was pretending to clean the equipment – he pretends to clean when he’s anxious – and not acknowledging us. Finally, I had to go home so I told everyone goodnight – PG and J hugged and kissed me goodnight, because they are NORMAL. I said, “F. Goodnight. I like the music you and J wrote.” He said, “Thanks,” – again, not turning to look at me.

    “How are you?” I said.
    “Fine.”
    “Really? I wouldn’t know. I only see the back of you.”
    He turned his head halfway to the side and smiled: “I must kindly ask you to leave. I have work to do.”
    “Okay,” I said.

    And I went home.

    #56208
    kaila
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    Wait wait wait… WHAT?

    So you were about to leave, kissed and hugged the other people, said bye to F, and then that was the rest of the conversation?!

    “How are you?” I said.
    “Fine.”
    “Really? I wouldn’t know. I only see the back of you.”
    He turned his head halfway to the side and smiled: “I must kindly ask you to leave. I have work to do.”
    “Okay,” I said.

    THIS? Really? :O What the hell!!! He is definitely weird around you. And it only makes it that much relevant to do have a talk with him in the near future. But that was RUDE as hell, from his part. I’m shocked.

    #56214
    penelope4
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    Okay, so it’s not just me reading too much into it then? I’ve been asking myself if he’s just stressed/insane and his weird behavior has nothing to do with me, but it does seem like that weirdness was pointed at me, right? Even if you’re stressed, you say hi to people normally, right? Especially if you’re supposed to be friends. But he was deliberately pretending like he didn’t see me – why? And then later on! I thought maybe he was cranky because he was trying to work and his friends and I were distracting him but 1) it was Js idea to bring me in there which he wouldn’t have done if he knew F was on a tight deadline 2) D was working with F and he had no problems talking to us 3) I was actually the quietest person in the room; it was more his friends who were making noise. And yet, he told ME to leave. So wtf?

    I can’t tell if he’s just a moody son of a bitch with mental problems (I have recently seen him ignoring other people when they try to interact with him) or it’s something I’ve done. I KNOW that there’s an affection between us that doesn’t go away, despite him acting at times like I matter nothing. It’s like it gets buried under so much background noise. Maybe this is a good thing to lead off with when I talk to him – a starter topic that could potentially open the door to telling him everything?

    #56251
    kaila
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    What do you mean specifically as an opening topic? The fact he has been acting weird? It might be. Like you are worried about him and stuff.

    How are the plans to move going? I’m getting a bit nervous for you as I can see that you might have to try a few times to ask him out or something until he accepts…

    #56260
    penelope4
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    There are no plans. I’m half heartedly looking for jobs and am getting nowhere.

    I do not intend to ask him out. He doesn’t like it when i do. I guess i am hoping for one of our encounters where he is open and happy to see me. My therapist thinks i need to tell him i’m leaving. She thinks that is what will give me the closure i need to move on. She thinks i haven’t fully committed to leaving because i’m still holding on to the idea of there being a chance; that that’s why i haven’t told him i’m planning to leave.

    I feel very numb to him lately. I’m mad that he’s so weird and treats people badly when he is stressed. I’m a good person. I deserve to be treated well consistently.

    I will probably see him tonight.

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